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Thanks for putting into words what I have long wondered - I have even purchased some of the training manuals for the CCP and could not figure out what the big deal was - common sense and nothing I did not already know. All you need is a good salary survey and your good to go.

Tim another great post. Very fun to read your stuff.

My company, a solid Medium-large company is of a size where we are able to handle comp comparisons under the HR umbrella. It doesn't hurt that we

a) Have a director who was the comp/analyst for a mega company
b) budget for plenty of market data
c) Have an employee friendly culture. Are culture is not set up to stick it to the employee. You get my drift.

If you don't have these three components--then for employees sake---it may be the lesser of two evils to hire a comp guy.

But I agree--as you've described it--roi just isn't there.

Tim,

Great post. In my career I have only found two comp people who actually helped me. Both kept it simple, wanted to understand the business needs, and wanted to know what the goal was. One of them is currently the global comp manager I work with. (Two comp people for a global company in seven countries.) Other than working with those two I have either gone outside and hired a consultant or did the work myself because comp couldn't do what I needed done. I even had a comp manager once tell me to do the analysis on a salary survey myself because he didn't have time.

Darren

Tim,
You neglected to mention that great Compensation people who can help your organization tremendously don't have to be employed by the organization. Many companies recognize that they need help SOMETIMES on these issues - so they do the smart thing and bring in a senior level Compensation Consultant. This is often a cost-effective and efficient way to use organizational resources. Firms like mine have the bandwidth to provide services to multiple companies at the same time.

Ha - funny post.

I have little experience in the comp side of the house but isn't their value in creating job descriptions and determining relative value? ie. grading of positions?

Seems like poorly graded positions create a huge amount of angst for employees who spend too much of their time asking - "why does that position pay more than mine?"

Wait a minute....wasn't Tim asking the very same question in this post? ;)

I like how you compared compensation positions to Penny stock analysts because they both require plenty of diligence knowledge of their respective tasks, and adopting a pure "think tank" mentality. If you come across a good analyst, the advice you get from their respective Penny Stock Lists would yield you good profits with minimal risks.

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