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A true student of Darwin will see SN as one more environmental adjustment which enables those prone to survival to outpace those who are wondering who moved their cheese. Learn to be adaptive and things such as SN, job boards, or what ever tomorrow holds will be blips as opposed to the latest/hottest thing.

Great points on social media, Josh.

Chasing our own tail vs productivity or (just as bad) effectiveness. The "why" (there is plenty of how-to's) needs to be articulated so we can all make informed (and "rational"?) choices on what, if any, social media to use.

{In full disclosure, my name is indeed linked to my Twitter}

Loved it !

Would be curious to know if I reposted my ask on LinkedIn Q&A again if people would start to show more of the ROI, as I am still yet to see the hype = results:

LinkedIn as a source of hire.......Hype or Helpful

http://www.linkedin.com/answers/hiring-human-resources/staffing-recruiting/HRH_SFF/135397-33141?browseIdx=0&sik=1220371248275&goback=%2Eamq

Not LI bashing or any other SN tool as they all have a place now and in the future....but please make the investment = validated results and get out of the anecdotal spiraling discussions that made business leaders think we don't get it.

I do agree that Social Networks are a means to an end for recruiters. Certainly it's a good idea to create a presence, but in the end, we all have work to do. So since they are constructed in a manner that makes them easy hunting grounds for talent, they are useful and will continue to be as long as people feel compelled to include their job/expertise information in every online profile they construct. Everyone should get some AIRS training and XRay and FlipSearch the buggers to death.

And to Rob's point about who has had hires, check out the recent ERE Webinar that Josh and Amybeth Hale were a part of, I could've sworn that Amybeth said she and her team at Waggener Edstrom had multiple hires via LinkedIn.

SN does not put internal and external recruiters to shame . It merely provides them a tool to more easily access a larger candidate base, much of which is organized into interests, groups etc. For recruiters, they are ready to start eating - the food is right in front of them.

Ryan
http://www.johnassaraf.com/challenge.php?s=hiac2008

All of these "shiny new" Social Networking sites are tools. It still takes an individual motivated enough to recognize the tools for what they are, and use them appropriately.

A backhoe is a much-needed tool in construction. But I have not the first clue how to use it, so it wouldn't be in my best interests to just jump in one and start working on my dream house. Same theory stands for LinkedIn, Twitter, and the like. Find out if it's applicable to what you want to do, learn how to use it, and then make use of it in appropriate ways.

We can all sit here and gripe about evolution but like any and all industries, technology is the conduit for business change. All you recruiters out there that are still sitting on your laurels and not educating yourselves on the value of social media tools will be extinct in a few short years. If you think LinkedIn, Twitter and other corporate social networking sites (internal or consumer) are passing fads, then you are probably in the same camp as the ones who called the world flat, or perhaps disagreed with the value of an automobile back in the 1800s...wake up before its too late...have any of you Einsteins thought about what you are actually doing right on this website? Aha! Moment of enlightenment...right or wrong, you are all on here to learn and express your opinions...sounds like value to me...

Everyone, good evening - I wanted to thank everyone for comments. Of course, I know this is a controversial topic and one that generates much conversation outside the lines. SN is in nascent stages and it will continue to be a growing arena for us to invest time and resources.

Today, WE are the early adopters and innovators in the business world. As evidence, please consider that the pragmatic market has not quite caught onto LI, but please consider that LI is not what many would consider a social media construct (this is up for debate in many circles).

My suggestion is that we need to consider when we are going to end our addiction to the drugs and start dealing them. I know this is a weird analogy, but is the best I can think of to communicate that only when we calm our personal addiction, will we begin to create business value and ROI.

We can and will begin to create this value, but we need leaders to emerge with success stories that will catch the eyes, ears, and minds of upper execs -- otherwise, commercials such as the above will continue. Many see the issue today as one in which SN serves as a conduit to make work a party (not to say that's always a bad thing), but we must remember our job is to recruit first, and make friends/generate followers second. To end on a positive note, we can do this!

Josh,

I think you miss the point of the commercial. It's not just making fun of social networking - it's suggesting that IBM has the tools and expertise to use social networking to have a real business impact.

Their new social networking platform is built on using the enterprise to help connect people. If anything, it's a shot at the third party tools.

Hey Josh,

thought provoking post. Nice job at SourceCon too, you're a very comfortable, well-spoken presenter.

Isn't as simple as understanding appropriate use? It seems humans are predisposed to pick up any new thing or anything and feel the need to proclaim "This is it!" or "this isn't it!". Once 'it' is in its appropriate box, they move on. The reality is everything has some use, it depends on the other factors of the situation. Even cigarettes can be good for you if you have irritable bowel syndrome and smoke them in very small doses until your symptoms improve. However, ciggy's aren't so great for you if you smoke 2+ packs a day for 20 years and are prone to asthma. The gist is, no 'thing', on its own, is inherently bad or good in and of itself. It all depends on the situation (i.e. - who, what, when and how).

This patent lack of ability to apply 'appropriate-ness' and context to social tools and doodads by *ahem* "thought leaders" and decision makers in corporate America was best described to me as these folks viewing it all as 'computer magic'. As in, "hey, let's go to Facebook and create a group for Underwater Pipeline Mechanics! (its magic!)".

Anyhoo, cheers,

Josh

"Thought-leaderdom"? Neat word!

I think social networking can be broken down into two main components - that for personal use and that for business. For example, I have two facebook pages - one at which I post all of my business-related information (blog postings, how-to articles, etc.etc.etc.), and another in which I share more mom/kid-oriented stuff.

My first site gives me the credibility in my industry should potential customers/clients look me up...my second site is simply just for my own enjoyment.

SN is a tool, nothing more, nothing less. The smart recruiter/sourcer/etc. will use it to build up their authority in their chosen niche. The not-quite-as-smart recruiter will simply use it as a personal chat mechanism if that.

Data points,

Barbara

Great Article!To the point. I always believed that spending time on social media is NOT waste of time but spending ALL the time might be a waste.

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